Resurrections

David Stockhoff · 02 Aug 2010, 00:57 · from 2010-August.txt.gz
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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:57:19 -0400
Subject: (urth) Resurrections
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I second John. That's 2.

brunians at brunians.org wrote:
> The feeling is quiet mutual.
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> Most of us == who? Most of the voices in your head?
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>> You are an unpleasant aspect of this list that most of us are just putting
>> up with.  I wish you would refrain from personal insults or intentionally
>> enigmatic digressions.  We'd all be better off.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> And a society that is physically deteriorating due to climate change,
>>> that
>>> is also in the middle of a huge war, tends not support sports such as
>>> recreational mountain climbing.
>>>
>>> Why do you always presume, Stockhoff?
>>>
>>> Don't you ever know?
>>>
>>> Do you believe that folks don't notice you saying nasty things whenever
>>> I
>>> ask a question you don't wish to answer?
>>>
>>> How stupid are you, exactly?
>>>
>>> I keep going back and forth between you and the JW's in my perennial
>>> urth
>>> list dumbest monkey test.
>>>
>>> .
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>>>       
>>>> Presumably it was far from where anyone would normally go.
>>>>
>>>> Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> And isn't Typhon supposed to be *2* thousand years before Severian?
>>>>>
>>>>> (Never mind that Typhon was up there in his mountain all the time.
>>>>>           
>>> Did
>>>       
>>>>> no one think of going there?)
>>>>>
>>>>> David Stockhoff wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> 200 autarchs could rule an average of 5 years each over 1000 years.
>>>>>>             
>>> If
>>>       
>>>>>> 20 of these autarchs ruled an average of 20 years, the remaining 180
>>>>>> would each have to rule for about 3+1/3 years to maintain the
>>>>>>             
>>> average.
>>>       
>>>>>> It's possible. In such a system, the individuality of each autarch,
>>>>>>             
>>> all
>>>       
>>>>>> but the greatest, would be inconsequential and utterly lost. Which
>>>>>>             
>>> is
>>>       
>>>>>> exactly what has happened in imperial dynasties. England's monarch,
>>>>>>             
>>> by
>>>       
>>>>>> contrast, was much more robust even at its weakest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we know only 3 names from the past 1000 years, perhaps that is
>>>>>>             
>>> why.
>>>       
>>>>>> If only these 3 ruled for 50 each and the remainder for still only
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> 4 years on average, that makes 200 in total. It's then slightly more
>>>>>> plausible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But is this important?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> On 8/1/2010 1:36 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Some autarchs may have ruled for only a week.
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> That's not unusual for popes or kings either. John-Paul I reigned a
>>>>>>> month, Jane Grey for 9 days, and IIRC the Hawaiian Kamehameha
>>>>>>>               
>>> dynasty
>>>       
>>>>>>> ended with the last couple of heirs reigning for less than a day
>>>>>>> apiece. These rates can't be sustained with anything like
>>>>>>>               
>>> stability,
>>>       
>>>>>>> and are more than compensated for by the Victorias and Henrys, who
>>>>>>> come to the throne young and live on into vigorous old age.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appian-Severian-Valeria cover a minimum of eight decades, I'd say,
>>>>>>>               
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>>> Ymar could easily have been one of the child-Autarchs as well as
>>>>>>> reigning long enough to be credited with his various deeds and
>>>>>>> commands, even if he didn't actually do or complete all of them.
>>>>>>>               
>>> This
>>>       
>>>>>>> leaves about nine hundred years for all but one of the hundreds the
>>>>>>> Old Autarch spoke of, surely they can do better than that? In the
>>>>>>>               
>>> 900
>>>       
>>>>>>> years following the Norman Conquest there were only 45 English
>>>>>>> monarchs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
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