Urth Net

← back to the conversation

Digest urth.v022.n047

David Wells · 19 Feb 1999, 17:33 · from urth-v0023.mbox · original

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: David Wells <ADW at ovum.com>
Subject: (urth) RE: Digest urth.v022.n047
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:33:59
Message-ID: <urth-v0023-0083 at digest.urth.net>
X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0023/0083.shtml
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> From: Jack Lyons <revjack at Radix.Net>
>=20
>My wife likes to use the term "Beatlesque" sometimes, when
>describing a piece of music, because it reminds her of a
>Beatles song.=20

[wise words about the Beatles deleted :-]

>Likewise Christian/Trinity imagery and metaphor. The Bible
>has so many stories, lessons, admonitions, hints, rules,
>quotes and narrative situations that one could concievably
>apply a Christian interpretation to anything one cares to.
>Name a story - any story - and I'll detail the Christian
>metaphor within.

>(This tends to be where Theists and Atheists part ways,
>with Theists declaring that this means that everything is
>special, and Atheists saying that if everything is special,
>then nothing is special.)

One of the most stimulating and insightful paragraphs I have ever read on
the 'net in more years than I care to recall.

I would quibble slightly with the exact wording, however. I would suggest
that instead

	- Theists see "non-religious" analogs of Christian (etc.) themes and
ideas as "Platonic echoes" - i.e. based in the fundamental ideas at the root
of their belief
	- Atheists see things the other way around - i.e. that religions
purloin concepts and stories from "the real world" and integate them
(sometime with Really Big Nails :) into their own world view.

I must say that the second of these still seems more plausible to me - as an
atheistic admirer of both Wolfe and Lafferty - but the distinction is, at
least in our lifetimes, purely metaphysical.=20

newt


*More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/




An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net