Hierogrammates, Briah and Yesod

Ryan Dunn · 13 Aug 2010, 16:32 · from 2010-August.txt.gz

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From: ryan at liftingfaces.com (Ryan Dunn)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:32:05 -0400
Subject: (urth) Hierogrammates, Briah and Yesod
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On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:

>> Another question is, when Severian activates the White Fountain, is he
>> imploding Briah, and birthing Post-Briah?
>> 
>> If so, I guess Urth becomes Rth or Yrth or something.
> 
> At certain points it isn't clear to me why Briah should be equated with Urth. We're told there's hoomins out there in other planets.

Well Briah and Urth are connected, in the text. If what you mean is, Urth isn't the only place to hold hoomins in Briah, then okay, but the text implies Urth was the center, mecca, capital, empire of the Universe, in the Universe before Briah, the one that imploded, the one that the Hierogrammates were created in and escaped from.

And coupling that with a twinning description of a divine year, when a Universe died and is reborn slightly more advanced, then I think you have to connote the hoomins who made the Hierogrammates with the hoomins who occupy Urth.

IMO anyway.

...ryan

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