The Key to the Universe...

António Pedro Marques · 13 Aug 2010, 18:56 · from 2010-August.txt.gz

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:56:12 +0100
Subject: (urth) The Key to the Universe...
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Jeff Wilson wrote (13-08-2010 18:07):
> On 8/13/2010 10:18 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>> (1) Did they really connect to Briah from their universe? I don't see
>> that. It matters.
>>
>> (2) Severian's assessment of knowability regarding the Hieromakers is
>> exactly right. It's unknowable---neither provable nor disprovable that
>> they are us---whoever "us" is.
>>
>> (3) The "advancement" bit is similarly fuzzy. However, if the races
>> advance with each universe, one might guess that the Hieromakers lie in
>> later iterations (whatever that means) rather than earlier.
>>
>> In Yesod, Briahtic "later" and "earlier" mean nothing, so beings from
>> infinitely "future" iterations can shake hands there with blobby cavemen
>> from a "past" one. Per Severian, we can't tell whether the Hieromakers
>> lie in our within-iteration future or our later-iterative future, but
>> they must lie ahead, or else "we" (whoever "we" are) would be more
>> advanced than they.
>
>
> If this is correct, what prevents the Yesodis from directly accessing
> their original, immediate makers' iteration and having another go at
> Ascension?

The Hierogrammates may not have complete control over Yesodian time and/or 
space.

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