The Key to the Universe

Jeff Wilson · 14 Aug 2010, 02:54 · from 2010-August.txt.gz

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From: jwilson at io.com (Jeff Wilson)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:54:29 -0500
Subject: (urth) The Key to the Universe
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On 8/13/2010 7:57 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Wilson<jwilson at io.com>  wrote:
>
>> That's begging the question, in the original sense. Somehow intelligence had
>> arise for the first time in the universe, unless you have a steady state
>> universe where intelligence has always existed. There is very strong support
>> for the Big Bang, so the steady state model is not convincing locally.
>
> Of course, theism begs the question in an isomoprhic way; it ignores
> the question, "And where did God come from?"

That's about the only thing I can objectively answer about God, for the 
Judeo-Christian value of "God"; He must come from outside the 
observable, knowable domain of existence. I mean that not as an 
abstraction, but in the sense of the literally unknowable, unguessable 
condiiton of being apart from the potentially comprehensible states of 
being, that are limited by their own nature not just our nature as 
mortal creatures.


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