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The Key to the Universe

Jeff Wilson · 15 Aug 2010, 03:45 · from 2010-August.txt.gz

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From: jwilson at io.com (Jeff Wilson)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:45:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: (urth) The Key to the Universe
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> Jeff Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/13/2010 7:57 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Wilson<jwilson at io.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's begging the question, in the original sense. Somehow
>>>> intelligence had
>>>> arise for the first time in the universe, unless you have a steady
>>>> state
>>>> universe where intelligence has always existed. There is very strong
>>>> support
>>>> for the Big Bang, so the steady state model is not convincing locally.
>>>
>>> Of course, theism begs the question in an isomoprhic way; it ignores
>>> the question, "And where did God come from?"
>>
>> That's about the only thing I can objectively answer about God, for the
>> Judeo-Christian value of "God"; He must come from outside the
>> observable, knowable domain of existence. I mean that not as an
>> abstraction, but in the sense of the literally unknowable, unguessable
>> condiiton of being apart from the potentially comprehensible states of
>> being, that are limited by their own nature not just our nature as
>> mortal creatures.
>
> I'd even venture that it isn't heretical to suggest that there may be
> other
> things beyond God. It's just that, from our vantage point, there's only
> God.
> God is our singularity. If one day we get closer to God, we may find out
> that God is only part of something bigger, but in *our* context, there is
> nothing but God.

Yes, a singularity is the kind of flaw in knowable existence I had in mind.

It's also worth mentioning that GW cops to lesser, pagan powers who may 
also be accommodated in this fashion.


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