Grand Unified Theory
António Pedro Marques · 25 Aug 2010, 22:11
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From: entonio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW50w7NuaW8gUGVkcm8gTWFycXVlcw==?=) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:11:03 +0100 Subject: (urth) Grand Unified Theory In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=sDOmHo7yZeXVNnT24h9Fdyw+KA51F1Kwx3Zpw at mail.gmail.com> References: <SNT123-W15E8699921C55C8728319CCF840 at phx.gbl> <4C752BA3.5010103 at gmail.com> <4C753691.7090403 at gmail.com> <872020F6-A190-4874-BF1C-F24D984358A7 at liftingfaces.com> <AANLkTi=eHkP5AaApMqw+vm8feLGyQaN=v1symwW8cRav at mail.gmail.com> <4C757DCE.5060709 at gmail.com> <AANLkTi=sDOmHo7yZeXVNnT24h9Fdyw+KA51F1Kwx3Zpw at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C7594F7.5090303 at gmail.com> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote (25-08-2010 21:48): > As regards pronunciation, though, for all I know the ancient Romans may > (though VERY improbably) have pronounced "crupta" as we pronounce > "blanko." > > Given how much variation takes place in just the English of England, and > how much it shifts in a single lifetime, I find it hard to conceive that > we know how anything was pronounced two millenia before the invention of > recording technology. (...) Can we know how, say, koine was pronounced, > or do we merely build edifices of more-or-less probable speculations? You're quite right to be skeptic in these matters, and it is true that what people who deal with history today do is to build such edifices. But there is a reason why linguists are confident, and that is the coherence of linguistic processes. Language change, as observed scientifically during the last couple of centuries, isn't random. It follows patterns ammenable to rational analysis and actually exhibits a huge degree of regularity. Now if one looks to what is attested in the last millennia, exactly the same processes appear to be taking place. It stands to reason that a knowledge of the modern forms and corroborating evidence from historical documents (either, as you asked for, the rare but existing descriptions of sounds by contemporary writers, or the way other languages borrow words, or even sometimes the way languages are transcribed in different alphabets than their own) is a solid basis to derive guesses that are so convincing as to become the default hypothesis. It's very, very far from looking at the letters they used and ascribing to them a pronunciation similar to what we use today for those letters or ones similar to them. In fact modern pronunciations, when resulting from a historic development, are seldom equal to the hypothesized original, though they can shed light on it. Sound-based writing systems such as greek's present an advantage: they are a reflection (seldom perfect, though usually one can see where the defects are) of the language's phonemical structure, unconsciously derived by native speakers. Having their phonemical structure available is a bliss in terms of understanding how it may have evolved and even what kind of regional variation one can reasonably expect - because we can observe how modern languages behave in that regard, what types of sounds are likely to be present in a given system (e.g. if there are only N vowels, the most probable hypothesis is that those don't include some given ones), and what type of different pronunciations may be expected to appear without a break in the spelling tradition. Of course, all (or most) conjecture, but there comes a point when conjecture is so much in agreement with everything else that it takes very good reasons to doubt it. English is perhaps a misleading example, for a variety of reasons. It looks alphabetical, but in fact it's full of homographs that are not homophones and the reverse. This is a historical artifact, and a rare one at that. Where old languages may have been subject to the same phenomenon, it was certainly to a much smaller extent, if any. Spelling usually *is* a guide to pronunciation, the more so in languages which didn't carry a burden of millennia of established orthographic subsystems from a handful of other languages (as english does). Also, english is almost all diphthongs, which though legitimate isn't all that common, language-wise. You hardly have a 'pure' vowel in english, and when you multiply that across dialects you end up with a very unusual situation indeed.
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