The face of Pas
Gerry Quinn · 15 Sep 2010, 10:20
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From: gerryq at indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:20:23 +0100 Subject: (urth) The face of Pas References: <001d01cb5172$d6967fa0$9bd14a0c@rclackey><4C8E5FF5.1060109 at gmail.com><003101cb53c3$556e2100$b5cf4a0c@rclackey><4C8FA25B.5040409 at gmail.com><AANLkTimV+bT905WiZycaGhxABTwfucr+k25sGQej0Ek1 at mail.gmail.com><AANLkTinfbAbDcDFvY8kCAQmXW1-brU_y1Ls7-qGDszmf at mail.gmail.com><4C8FAF65.7000505 at gmail.com> <AANLkTinx6ybGTS-OkacbWqjWATesWysOGYQjLq4fL_OV at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A44845213ED46AA91AC0AC02259943A@jill> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" <danldo at gmail.com> > I agree about Greek, and don't know much about Etruscan stuff, but > take it from a Catholic: the rituals and forms of the Chapter are dead > on parodies of Catholic forms and rituals. There are certainly some rituals and forms analogous to those of Catholicism, although I think it should not be exaggerated - Catholicism is not the only religion with hierarchies of male priests, for example. The 'Peace of Pas' does of course correspond closely to Last Rites, or Extreme Unction as it was once called, and is IMO the closest to a specifically Catholic ritual. But some Protestant denominations have Last Rites too, and the corresponding Jewish ritual does not seem so different. I think Wolfe would not think it strange to have a convergence of rituals - quite the opposite in fact. Indeed, I think he would say that rituals tend to be conserved across religions and cultures. For some hints as to this, consider Severian's discussion of the coin he was given by Vodalus, or the way hillmen children are washed in rivers after birth (Fifth Head of Cerberus, 2nd novella). The meanings of rituals and forms may be multiple and debatable, but the ritual is conserved. Could we even say: the Outsider's two or many voices, Pas's two heads, the Holy Trinity, even the pantheons of polytheism in general? Silk finds a connection between the Outsider and Pas's two heads, but to find a connection is not to prove a parody or a derivation of any sort. In short, I don't think we know enough about the state riligion of Urth in Typhon's time to identify it as Catholicism, though the sign of addition does indicate some Christian roots. (Elsewhere Quetzal mentions 'Ah Lah' as a forgotten god, and refers to a somewhat modified version of the story of Adam and Eve. And the Chrasmological Writings seem to take a pinch of everything in the line of religion and related philosophy.) - Gerry Quinn
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