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Jahlee and Merryn

Lee Berman · 08 Nov 2010, 17:23 · from 2010-November.txt.gz

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From: severiansola at hotmail.com (Lee Berman)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:23:25 -0500
Subject: (urth) Jahlee and Merryn
Message-ID: <SNT123-W7AFC39897B695833D7021CF4F0 at phx.gbl>



>Jeff Wilson: Are we sure Jahi is a demon in the play rather than a Lilith figure? Cos 
>Jolenta and Dorcas play two other characters who are overtly identified as the two demons 
>in the play.
 
In Persian/Zoroastrian religion, Jahi is a cognate figure to Lilith, just as Meschia and 
Meschianne are cognates to Adam and Eve. So I think the real question is whether Lilith/Jahi
should be considered a demoness or not. Interesting that feminists have co-opted Lilith as a
symbol of femininity falsely demonized by the male-dominated Judeo-Christian culture and 
society.
 
In reading Wolfe, I often think he is personally conflicted on this issue. Is it possible for
a even an converted Catholic to have Madonna/Whore complex with regard to women? ;- )
 
In seriousness, I do think we see some of this dual nature reflected in many Sun series women.
Angelic Dorcas, Pia, Apheta, Seawrack etc. have their dark, sexual manipulative sides. Demonic 
Agia, Hyacinth?, Fava, Jahlee etc. have their soft, caring, feminine sides. Thecla seems pretty 
50/50.
 
Anyway, the Zoroastrian connection is important to the RttW-inspired expansion of my GUT I'm 
working on. But, perhaps because I am not religious, I find some of this mystic mythology, esp. 
gnosticism, difficult to grasp. But working on it.
 
(I think I need to find a new term. GUT may be losing its sense of self-mockery with repetition,
not really being a theory and certainly not being grand. I still have some hopes for a unifying
aspect. Maybe I should switch to Personal Onotological Opus?) 		 	   		  

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