god(s) and gods

David Stockhoff · 30 Nov 2010, 13:52 · from 2010-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:52:57 -0500
Subject: (urth) god(s) and gods
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I have wondered if the mere fact that Inire does not appear to be 
associated with any known factions (except the Autarchy itself, his 
creation [?]) suggests that his most likely association is with the 
Increate/Outsider---whatever the mechanism for that association.

On 11/29/2010 10:32 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
>> James Wynn:  I really don't understand why some people have a problem with Pan = Pas.
>> I supposed it is because people have come to think of him as a minor woodland deity
>> dancing around with wooly pants and goat feet.
>
> Yes, that was my problem with it, on first reading. But if Pan is conflated with Dionysus
> and his thousands of years of gnostic global religious influence the problem disappears. I
> don't find the Pas for Pazuzu shortening as implausible as you- for me that disguising nickname
> is reminiscent of Wolfe using Cas for Dorcas. But, in Dionysian light, I am quite willing to
> grant Pazuzu second banana status.
>
> Pas is dead at the beginning of Long Sun. And "The Great God Pan Is Dead!" is certainly an
> important heraldic cry in the history of Christianity. (Though my understanding is that the
> Wiccans feel their Dionysian goat god, Green Man, Lord of the Vine, etc. came before the
> Olympians and outlasted them and will return to outlast the temporary ascension of the patriarchal,
> monotheistic, Middle East religions.) I had long thought the Sun series was meant to depict a
> universe fumbling toward Christianity. Lately I have some doubts (but only some).
>
> James your Quezal article is chock-full of interesting associations. For some reason, in the
> description of the inhuma bird and its horn-like head crest I was reminded of the godling who
> wears "a peaked hat that was in fact a claw". Well, maybe a connection. If not, I suppose we
> must at least think of Severian a little.
>
>> Hound asks about the reason Silk is sometimes referred to as Silver Silk and Silent Silk. My
>> guess is that this is an allusion to a couple satyrs/fauns who are associated with the Dionysus
>> cult, Silvanus and Silenus.
>
>> I think you are on to something here. I don't know what. But I smell game.
> Yeah, about the same here. There seems to be some connection between Father Inire and Typhon/Pas
> and The Outsider. But it is hard to pin down.  With the current exploration of gnostic religion
> I am trying to find a connecting role in regards to Dionysus and the Demiurge.
>
> Where does Inire go after Severian leaves Urth? Where was Inire before Ymar? Did Typhon have a
> mystical vizier during his reign? (Ceryx perhaps?). Are vertical pupil goat eyes the reason
> Father Inire's various incarnations must keep their eyes hidden? The extreme female beautification
> trend in The Commonwealth keeps me thinking of fallen angel Azazel as he was known for bringing that.
> He was also goat-associated...
>
> Well, a bunch of puzzle pieces. But not quite fitting together yet. 		 	   		
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