Ash (was: Re: Shadow Children and Inhumi)

Jane Delawney · 01 Dec 2010, 01:23 · from 2010-November.txt.gz

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From: jane_delawney at sky.com (Jane Delawney)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 01:23:52 +0000
Subject: (urth) Ash (was: Re:  Shadow Children and Inhumi)
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On 30/11/10 04:29, Lee Berman wrote:
>
> James wonders if there is any relationship of this secret vine origin to Dionysus, god of the vine.
> I wonder if there is any possible relationship of any of this to Master Ash's missing mate Vine?
> I dunno. But her name has to mean something, doesn't it? If there is a Dionysian deity popping up
> in various guises throughout Severian's story, Master Ash would likely be among them, perhaps. 		 	   		
> _________
>    
Sorry I appear to have missed the original reference (I get overwhelmed 
with internet stuff quite often, blame my age) but regarding Ash and 
Vine, I have always assumed that these are cognates / references to Ask 
and Embla (Ash and Vine, in translation) the first human couple of 
post-Fimbulwinter, post-Ragnarok Midgard in Norse tradition.

In a different timeline, which doesn't exist in Briah's multiple 
iterations as often as Severian's (but still has some local substance, 
hence the presence of Master Ash and his time machine in visible form 
upon Urth), Ash is not only the last holdout on post-Ragnarok Urth, but 
in those timeline possibilities, its Meschia equivalent. On the 
occasions when this timeline does exist, Vine, whom according to 
Severian's account he still hopes to see again, is his Meschiane.

jd

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