Who's Right?

António Pedro Marques · 03 Dec 2010, 18:57 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 18:57:54 +0000
Subject: (urth) Who's Right?
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Matthew Weber wrote (03-12-2010 18:48):
>
> 2010/12/3 Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com
> <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>>
>
>     Matthew Weber wrote (03-12-2010 18:33):
>
>         Really?  What did he say that his antecedents didn't?
>
>     Please present his antecedents' teachings.
>
> You'll find those teachings under the heading "The Old Testament".  Enjoy.
>
> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html

Come back when you have something to say.

>         Christianity considers Jesus' acts of much higher importance
>         than his
>         teachings--especially the redemptive act of sacrifice on the
>         cross (or,
>         if you'd rather, the redemptive fact of his incarnation).  It's
>         liberal
>         Protestantism in its post-Enlightenment instantiation which has
>         given us
>         this fixation on teachings.  Which isn't surprising, since once
>         you deny
>         Christ's divinity, you don't really have much else left.
>
>     We're not talking about christianity. Lee asked what would a 20 AD
>     Jew find special about Jesus.
>
> That's hard to say, since we have no record of anything Jesus did
> between the ages of 12 and 30.  He doesn't seem to have begun any public
> teaching (besides the episode in the synagogue at age 12) before his
> baptism by John.  Very possibly a 20 AD Jew might not have found
> anything particularly special about him.

Which kind of inserts some conditions required for Lee's question, doesn't 
it? Namely that the jew would have to know Jesus well. Of course, some may 
think it makes them look clever if they present some irrelevancy to justify 
avoiding the question.

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