Father Inire Theory

Ryan Dunn · 05 Dec 2010, 04:43 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: ryan at liftingfaces.com (Ryan Dunn)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 23:43:26 -0500
Subject: (urth) Father Inire Theory
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But I do think we should use Zak in UotNS as a clue pointing back to the original four volumes. Meaning there's a shapeshifter we should have known about.

That's my two cents on the matter anyhow. I do believe most of of the major messages from UotNS Gene expected we could deduce from the source text. I think it was a little bit of a clue book also, though I haven't studied it deep enough to be certain.

...ryan


On Dec 4, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Lee Berman wrote:

> 
> Someone (I forget who) brought up an objection that I forgot to address. The
> objection was that we can't compare the shapeshifting and multiple body versions
> of Tzadkiel with Father Inire because they are two completely different sorts of
> beings.
> 
> Using what I've been calling the gnostic religious view I think it can be demonstrated
> that the opposite is true. As Greece went from primitive to civilized we see a 
> a replacement and demotion of old pantheons of gods for new. Major vine god Dionysus gets
> demoted to minor wine god among the Olympians, but he's still around and not a bad guy.
> 
> But when the Greeks expanded their conquest outward, and more foreign cultures were conquered
> a different thing happened to the gods.  A process of demonizing the foreign gods and 
> angelicizing one's own gods started to take place. The fortunes of war could change the status
> of any given god back and forth. So, angels, demons and pagan gods are all immortal, shapeshifting
> types but are labeled based on whether they are perceived as being good, bad or has-beens.
> 
> The goat god Dionysus/Pan might be elevated to the highest deification by some groups, demonized 
> into Azazel or Satan by others and dismissed as mythology by yet others.
> 
> In BotNS, I think we have the analog or allegory for pagan gods (Inire, Cumaean), demons (Abaia,
> Erebus) and angels at a couple levels (hierogrammates, hierodules). Given that this is a 
> pre-Christian, gnostic world/universe, I think we can understand that these beings are essentially 
> of a similar kind and have similar power and abilities. As Wolfe has Horn suggest in a religious
> opine from Short Sun, the only difference between a minor god and a major devil is good intentions. 		 	   		  
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