Catherine

Son of Witz · 06 Dec 2010, 18:09 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:09:08 -0800
Subject: (urth) Catherine
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On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Andrew Mason <andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Son of Witz wrote:
> 
>> I'm of the opinion that if these puzzles don't yield real symbolic meat they aren't worth pursuing. That being said, the idea that the Katherine he symbolically beheads is is mother is Roast fucking Beef.  Severian has to destroy Mother Urth. He says this memory is the start of his reminiscing.
>> 
> 
> Brilliant idea; it explains, what has always puzzled me, why
> Severian's mother is called Catherine. But I'm not sure it solves the
> problem of who is who at the mundane level. Does it mean that the
> woman who plays the part, the maid, actually is his mother? (If 'maid'
> is understood in its traditional sense, of course, she can't be.) Or
> does it just mean that the woman he is symbolically killing, Holy
> Katharine, is somehow identified with his mother?
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Thanks.

I think it works symbolically as his mother via the names, even if the maid isn't his mother. Catherine was his mother, a prisoner of the torturers who might have died in their dungeon. The maid is a symbolic prisoner named Katherine. Rule 1 in this book is that "Symbols Invent Us even if we are unaware of their import at the time." So it doesn't matter id Sev makes the connection.

However, I do think that Catherine the mother and Katherine the forever unchanged maid are probably the same person.

~Witz

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