Urth Net

← back to the conversation

Ouen and Dorcas and ??

David Stockhoff · 07 Dec 2010, 01:59 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:59:15 -0500
Subject: (urth) Ouen and Dorcas and ??
In-Reply-To: <4CFD9002.7020407 at io.com>
References: <AANLkTindDeG=GGZi=jJjHCzfaF3vtP-u1UOSWakQRU3o at mail.gmail.com>	<CAA38081-65BF-4B32-9DE7-06ADD7B38BA3 at liftingfaces.com>
	<4CFD9002.7020407 at io.com>
Message-ID: <4CFD94F3.6070801 at verizon.net>

Possibly. My reading of Mist was that Wolfe was simply mimicking even 
more closely what editors of Greek and Latin, through the centuries, 
actually did and still do---since Latro writes in Latin or Greek.

It's the same joke, but a different treatment. So you'd expect a 
difference, regardless of the absence of notes. Besides, some jokes are 
better left unexplained

On 12/6/2010 8:38 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:
> On 12/6/2010 12:34 PM, Ryan Dunn wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Andrew Mason wrote:
>>
>>> I think we know it's -cas, because Ouen says his mother was called
>>> Cas, but the picture he has is of Dorcas. Also - though this is a clue
>>> only for us, the readers, not for Severian - the chapter in which the
>>> old boatman talks about his wife is called 'Dorcas', although that
>>> name is mentioned nowhere in it.
>>
>>
>> Do we know whether Severian titled the chapters of his own tome? I 
>> had never thought of that.
>
> The translator's notes in _Soldier of the Mist_ detail how he uses the 
> first words of each entry as best he can tell as the chapter title out 
> of a lack of any other identification within the manuscript. The lack 
> of a similar practice mentioned in the otherwise similar length notes 
> for the BOTNS + URTH suggest it had chapter demarcations, though they 
> may ot have been quite so lurid ("The Key to the Universe") in the 
> original tongue.
>
> There is also the possibility that the book has passed thou other 
> hands and been copied with errors and elisions and deliberate changes 
> over the eons of future history past.
>
>


---
avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
Virus Database (VPS): 101206-1, 12/06/2010
Tested on: 12/6/2010 8:59:16 PM
avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software.
http://www.avast.com




An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net