Father Inire theory cont.

David Stockhoff · 10 Dec 2010, 22:05 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:05:19 -0500
Subject: (urth) Father Inire theory cont.
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Hah! I wouldn't take it that far.

But Lee has a point---this is getting like the "vine" discussion. The 
opinion of the average American is hardly relevant here. Has he or she 
read Paradise Lost? No.

Some would posit Satan (who thankfully has not come up yet) as an 
eternal source of evil. Lucifer was a proud rebel who became evil. They 
just aren't the same.

On 12/10/2010 4:30 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> I completely agree with Andrew. The Devil has many names, and
> admittedly each of them has a different flavor as to how he is
> characterized. But if you say "Lucifer" to an average American he'll
> equate that with the "devil" who goes around seeking to steal or buy
> souls, as well as Satan, Old Nick, etc.
>
> (On the other hand, exactly this distinction was made in the rather
> brilliant [and British] _Hellblazer_ comic. After Lucifer resigned
> from his post, the Devil -- Satan -- took up the job.)
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Andrew Mason
> <andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>> David Stockhoff wrote:
>>
>>> Lee, I'm not trying to be unfair. The Devil runs a very different kind
>>> of game than does Lucifer. They are not the same. If you say Devil, I
>>> read Devil. If you say Lucifer, I read Lucifer. It helps to say what you
>>> mean as much as you can---it would save us all a lot of words. :)
>> It's fairly standard in Christian tradition to see 'Lucifer' and
>> 'Devil/Satan' as different names for the same figure. I'd agree that
>> in origin they are different (and other diabolic titles, like
>> 'Beelzebub', are different in origin again) but I don't think Lee is
>> being unreasonable in running them together here.
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