christ, already

Son of Witz · 15 Dec 2010, 21:12 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:12:59 -0800
Subject: (urth) christ, already
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On Dec 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
>> Dan'l D. Oakes:  The Outsider is the Christian God, to be sure
> 
> I don't know enough to debate yea or nay on this. But RttW seems to explicitly define
> The Outsider as The God of Wine, son of Thyone. i.e.  a version of Dionysus. I think there
> are some who here have knowledge which suggests there is religious justification for considering
> Dionysus as a version or precursor of Christ.
> 
>> the stories analogous to those of Jesus are attributed to "a fortunate man whom
>> the Outsider had both enlightened and possessed" -- an Jesus-analogue in the Briahtic Universe.
> 
> I think it was Andrew who recently pointed out the Long Sun story of a legendary figure who got
> busy with moneychangers in a temple.
> 
> In one interview, Gene Wolfe quips that since Jesus used a scourge during that temple episode, even 
> he knows what it is to be a torturer.
> 
> Some interesting conjoining of concepts here. I'm interested how y'all might sort them out.
> 

I always liked Scorsesi's Last Temptation portrayal of Jesus making crucifixes. (I don't know if that is valid to the tradition) but it says the same thing. Jesus knows what it is to be a torturer.

I don't know about Dionysus. I need to read those again, but I thought that Outsider=Christ was about as unambiguous as Gene Wolfe gets.

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