christ, already

Matthew Weber · 16 Dec 2010, 00:16 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: palaeologos at gmail.com (Matthew Weber)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:16:35 -0800
Subject: (urth) christ, already
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Quibble, irrelevant to this discussion, but :

The Fatherhood & Sonship of the Father & Son are coeternal.  The Son was the
Son from eternity, as the Nicene Creed saith.  "Father" and "Son" in this
case suggest a relationship, not temporal precedence.  Logos = Son.  The
discussion of Wisdom in Proverbs & elsewhere in the OT is taken by
Christians as typifying the Son as Logos.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:

> > In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Christ and God
> are
> > explicit, though part of the Holy Trinity. God is within Christ, and
> > Christ symbolizes God. And God created the symbol.
>
> Christ is the Logos, sure, but doctrinarily the Logos (symbol or word) is
> uncreated; co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. He is also the
> Son, though he's not the Son until Mary conceives. This makes the Son
> something of a temporal state, but that's okay, since Christ as the Son is
> supposed to partake of man's mortal nature so man can have a personal
> relationship with God.
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The seaman's story is of tempest, the plowman's of his team of bulls; the
soldier tells his wounds, the shepherd his tale of sheep.
    Sextus Propertius (54 B.C.-A.D. 2), Elegies, II, i, 43
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