(no subject)

David Stockhoff · 16 Dec 2010, 17:20 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:20:38 -0500
Subject: (urth) (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinet1PVd6X3oKD_UuTT9qm7w01C+fF7qwhU73id at mail.gmail.com>
References: <B7D2542A-8A0E-4F19-BF81-F80EAFB9F571 at butcherbaker.org>	<590010.75633.qm at web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<AANLkTimcMTGQ5HM3o2b9_SyqzFD-T-gPdHk8bENwBaQx at mail.gmail.com>	<4D094DE2.5030407 at verizon.net>	<BC9543A9-03FF-47BB-BD37-0A5E0AAC69A6 at butcherbaker.org>	<4D09F5B4.6090203 at gmail.com>	<AANLkTinTRwvf-J7YE-DysQnutXgpc66PudoZLJrANKbz at mail.gmail.com>	<4D0A4645.5060105 at verizon.net>
	<AANLkTinet1PVd6X3oKD_UuTT9qm7w01C+fF7qwhU73id at mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0A4A66.3020505 at verizon.net>

Ah, OK. Yes, although Tolkien did not worship the Ainur or Iluvatar, 
they aren't exactly heretical.

Melkor, of course, is Lucifer/Satan. Tolkien was following in the 
footsteps of at least one fantasist.

On 12/16/2010 12:08 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:03 AM, David Stockhoff<dstockhoff at verizon.net>  wrote:
>> I understood that to be James' point. Tolkien was a Christian writer.
> I'll let James speak for himself if I'm wrong, but I understood his
> saying that "Silmarillion does not align with the Bible" as meaning
> that it was not in line with Tolkien's actual beliefs. My point is
> that, while I doubt that JRRT actually "believed" the Silmarillion,
> its cosmology actually _does_ align with the Bible, with the correct
> dance steps.
>
> --Dan'l
>
>> On 12/16/2010 11:55 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:19 AM, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know, just because someone has beliefs does not mean that the
>>>> fictional
>>>> worlds they create need to be in line with those beliefs. Fundamentally,
>>>> The
>>>> Book of the New Sun is fantasy literature. The setting and history
>>>> Silmarillion does not align with the Bible either. I'm sure there are
>>>> plenty
>>>> of materialist atheists who write stories about elves and giants.
>>> Actually, Tolkien went out of his way to make the cosmology of the
>>> Silm. compatable (though only by some fast dancing) with Christianity.
>>> The "gods" are angels, etc.
>>>
>>
>> ---
>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>> Virus Database (VPS): 101216-0, 12/16/2010
>> Tested on: 12/16/2010 12:03:02 PM
>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Urth Mailing List
>> To post, write urth at urth.net
>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net
>>
>
>


---
avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
Virus Database (VPS): 101216-0, 12/16/2010
Tested on: 12/16/2010 12:20:38 PM
avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software.
http://www.avast.com

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net