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Gerry Quinn · 16 Dec 2010, 18:36 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: gerryq at indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:36:48 -0000
Subject: (urth) (no subject)
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From: "David Stockhoff" <dstockhoff at verizon.net>


> Why is it a great leap?

To start with, because to assume something not mentioned in a text must 
therefore not exist in the universe of that text is a leap.

> Either other paths of salvation exist, or they do not. I have never heard 
> of any such, except that many have commented that heathens may attain 
> grace and thus be considered eligible. Generally, Christians speak of 
> "Salvation through Jesus Christ Our Lord amen etc."

You have not heard of any... except insofar as you have!

> But the Son came here for the express purpose of salvation. If he doesn't 
> show up, then all we are left with is grace---and Severian seems to attain 
> some version of that.
>
> No leap at all.

The existence of grace implies the non-existence of salvation?

- Gerry Quinn


> On 12/16/2010 11:14 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>>
>>> The "similar history" is explained by the same principle as the similar 
>>> (but not identical)
>>> geography of Urth to our Earth. Wolfe says he conceives of Briah as a 
>>> different universe than ours,
>>> a previous iteration.
>>>
>>> I think it is more accurate to say Long Sun has religious references to 
>>> a Jesus-like character.
>>> Nothing about salvation is mentioned, that I know of.
>>
>> I agree that this aspect of Christian doctrine is not mentioned, but the 
>> obvious reason is that Wolfe's cosmogony is complex enough without it! 
>> Also, I think it plausible that Wolfe believes salvation might be 
>> attained by means other than the Incarnation, particularly in a 
>> hypothethical universe where Jesus did not exist.  So I don't see the 
>> necessity for making great interpretational leaps just because it is not 
>> mentioned.
>
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