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David Stockhoff · 16 Dec 2010, 19:02 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:02:50 -0500
Subject: (urth) (no subject)
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As I tried to specifically state, grace is not salvation but rather a 
consolation prize for nonbelievers. Let's let the theologians parse 
that. But for you to insist that salvation exists "just because" is 
worse than a leap.



On 12/16/2010 1:36 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>
> From: "David Stockhoff" <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>
>
>> Why is it a great leap?
>
> To start with, because to assume something not mentioned in a text 
> must therefore not exist in the universe of that text is a leap.
>
>> Either other paths of salvation exist, or they do not. I have never 
>> heard of any such, except that many have commented that heathens may 
>> attain grace and thus be considered eligible. Generally, Christians 
>> speak of "Salvation through Jesus Christ Our Lord amen etc."
>
> You have not heard of any... except insofar as you have!
>
>> But the Son came here for the express purpose of salvation. If he 
>> doesn't show up, then all we are left with is grace---and Severian 
>> seems to attain some version of that.
>>
>> No leap at all.
>
> The existence of grace implies the non-existence of salvation?
>
> - Gerry Quinn
>


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