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Son of Witz · 16 Dec 2010, 19:08 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:08:01 -0800
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I guess then, that you feel there is no possible salvation but through Jesus Christ?

On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:02 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:

> As I tried to specifically state, grace is not salvation but rather a consolation prize for nonbelievers. Let's let the theologians parse that. But for you to insist that salvation exists "just because" is worse than a leap.
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> On 12/16/2010 1:36 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
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>> From: "David Stockhoff" <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
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>>> Why is it a great leap?
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>> To start with, because to assume something not mentioned in a text must therefore not exist in the universe of that text is a leap.
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>>> Either other paths of salvation exist, or they do not. I have never heard of any such, except that many have commented that heathens may attain grace and thus be considered eligible. Generally, Christians speak of "Salvation through Jesus Christ Our Lord amen etc."
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>> You have not heard of any... except insofar as you have!
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>>> But the Son came here for the express purpose of salvation. If he doesn't show up, then all we are left with is grace---and Severian seems to attain some version of that.
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>>> No leap at all.
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>> The existence of grace implies the non-existence of salvation?
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>> - Gerry Quinn
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