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Son of Witz · 16 Dec 2010, 19:41 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:41:10 -0800
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I have to say I don't see the sense in projecting that interpretation of paths to salvation if you don't believe in them.  For me, I think salvation is possible without Jesus. I think Jesus meant something completely different than the common interpretation of "None come to the father but through me" or however the quote reads.  So, no Jesus shouldn't imply no salvation. Not even all Christians believe theirs is an exclusive path.

On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:15 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:

> Well, it's not a concern of mine, so I'm trying to stick with what I understand as the technical definition.
> 
> Yes, but with a loophole for really good pagans. ;)
> 
> On 12/16/2010 2:08 PM, Son of Witz wrote:
>> I guess then, that you feel there is no possible salvation but through Jesus Christ?
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:02 AM, David Stockhoff<dstockhoff at verizon.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>> As I tried to specifically state, grace is not salvation but rather a consolation prize for nonbelievers. Let's let the theologians parse that. But for you to insist that salvation exists "just because" is worse than a leap.
>> 
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