The Outsider

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 16 Dec 2010, 20:39 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:39:28 -0800
Subject: (urth) The Outsider
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Son of Witz
<Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:

> I do. The idea of multiple Incarnations is not only "not strictly
> Orthodox Christianity," it is abhorrent to the idea that Jesus died
> once _for all_. "All" is a big word, which I mostly try to avoid, but
> it's unambiguously present in Scripture.
>
>
> Wait. ?That Jesus saved us once and for all is theological interpretation,
> more than scripture, right?

As I said, it's unambiguously present in Scripture. For example,
Hebrews 7:27: "Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to
offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for
the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when
he offered himself." And 9:26: "Otherwise Christ would have had to
suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared
once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the
sacrifice of himself."

> I think we can say that we are pretty sure the
> man Jesus actually lived and preached in our universe, but it is only
> theology and belief to say that his acts provided eternal salvation for the
> residents of that universe. I mean, where is the proof of that? The proof
> that he existed seems very real, but the rest is, sorry, speculation and
> unverified Revelation.

You are right; the revelation of Scripture is unverified. And indeed I
take a certain amount of it as not-literally-true (for example, the
accounts of Genesis). But if we take it as, well, Scripture, then it
is unambiguous that "his acts provided eternal salvation" for ALL. No
other.

> From there we can say that there are clearly historical traces of the man
> Jesus in the Chrasmalogical writings at the very least.

Where? The only Biblical quotes I recall in the C.W. are from the old testament.

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Dan'l Danehy-Oakes

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