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Matthew Weber · 16 Dec 2010, 23:14 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: palaeologos at gmail.com (Matthew Weber)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:14:08 -0800
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Both good points, which I'll concede (I could discuss either at greater
length, but I feel I'm already substantially digressing from topic).

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Matthew Weber <palaeologos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> 1) Grace existed before Christ's passion and resurrection, but it did
> >> so as a result of Christ's passion and resurrection. Grace always
> >> already can be extended to the "virtuous pagan" as well as people like
> >> Moses, Elijah, etc.
>
> > To be sure, they weren't punished, but they weren't redeemed either--at
> > least not until the Harrowing of Hell, no?
>
> I think this is an error as you are applying "before" and "after" to
> states in Eternity, outside of Time.
>
> >> 3) Your soteriology is one common model but not the only one.
>
> > Sure--there are at least 3 other models that I can think of in the
> > Cappadocian Fathers, but PSA is the most commonly encountered one in the
> > West.  And since I was writing a short response rather than a book... :)
>
> I guess my objection was to your stating it in a manner that sounded
> as if you were describing The Standard Christian Model, when there
> _is_ no Standard Christian Model...
>
> --
> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
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Matt +

Let each man pass his days in that wherein his skill is greatest.
    Sextus Propertius (54 B.C.-A.D. 2), Elegies, II, i, 46
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