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Jeff Wilson · 16 Dec 2010, 23:40 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: jwilson at io.com (Jeff Wilson)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:40:32 -0600 (CST)
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> Grace in the Christian sense doesn't seem to have existed before Christ's
> passion and resurrection.  The Torah seems to embody an accountant's
> approach to morality, with each transgression appearing in the debit
> column
> and requiring the sacrifice of a corresponding asset.

There are examples of forgiveness in the Torah, as long as you don't
equate it with a lack of consequences. All the times that the covenants
with G-d were broken, and G-d keeps giving Adam's brood one more chance,
then Noah's, then the Israelites. Other Hebrew scriptures record Jonah's
many refusals to deliver G-d's judgment to Nineveh and hardships he
endures shirking his divine duty out of bigotry, but G-d forgives him, and
the Ninevites as well when they finally get the judgment.

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