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David Stockhoff · 17 Dec 2010, 01:19 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:19:23 -0500
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And by the same logic, there may have been a dozen of these 
people---Jesuses, Christs, dud Christs as Gerry says, or full-blown 
messiahs---that we have forgotten entirely. Almost as though ... they 
don't exist.

Who now studies Zoroaster?

You can't talk about Good News no one has heard. Isn't the end the same? 
Salvation is not a concern of a single character in the series. Perhaps 
someone who supports the idea of identical "parallel" universes should 
explain this discrepancy.

On 12/16/2010 5:43 PM, Matthew Weber wrote:
> As far as evidence is concerned, the same sort of evidence exists for 
> Jesus as exists for Socrates.  There doesn't seem to be any good 
> reason to assume he didn't exist, unless such an assumption is 
> necessary to validate a distaste for Christianity (or religion in 
> general).
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:22 PM, David Stockhoff 
> <dstockhoff at verizon.net <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>     Now you're making things up. First, what evidence? Second, what
>     difference are you talking about?
>
>     On 12/16/2010 2:38 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>
>             As I tried to specifically state, grace is not salvation
>             but rather a consolation prize for nonbelievers. Let's let
>             the theologians parse that. But for you to insist that
>             salvation exists "just because" is worse than a leap.
>
>
>         We have evidence for the existence of Jesus.  We have no
>         evidence for any difference between the Jesus of this universe
>         (if different universe it is) and our own.
>
>         It seems to me that the leap is to assume a difference.
>
>         - Gerry Quinn
>
>


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