Dionysus and the Outsider

David Stockhoff · 17 Dec 2010, 12:42 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:42:32 -0500
Subject: (urth) Dionysus and the Outsider
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I agree, and I think that's a sound point about not repeating the 
Incarnation (which seems to be the term we have adopted and I will try 
to use!).

I think many clues point to an economy of Incarnations, if not a 
parsimony, and if there are those universes that do not experience it 
directly, then there should not be billions that do. There should be one 
only (though I can conceive otherwise), and this should be true on both 
levels (universe and multiverse), which explains why Urth is so central 
to the angel-aliens' concerns even though it probably never the ruled 
the galaxy.

On 12/16/2010 11:39 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> I'm inclined to agree with those who say Jesus isn't in Briah.  I 
> expect that Wolfe isn't violating what Dan'l says is orthodox 
> Catholicism: the Incarnation was truly unique.  I'd give better than 
> even money that if he thought about it, he'd say this was the last 
> cycle in his fictional plan.  And if I'm wrong, I'd give better than 
> even money that if he wrote a story in the universe after ours, it 
> wouldn't need an Incarnation but would get by with ours.
>
>  I'd explain the various echoes the way James Wynn would if he were 
> inclined that way: echoes of what Wolfe believes happened in our 
> universe.  They don't all have to refer to the same person.  After 
> all, the Conciliator has resemblances to Jesus, but we know he's not a 
> sinless man who also has a divine nature. The same could be true of 
> the man who scourged the merchants in Briah, if he was more than a legend.


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