the voice of the outsider is the conjunction of pas/kypris

James Wynn · 19 Dec 2010, 15:19 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:19:56 -0600
Subject: (urth) the voice of the outsider is the conjunction of
	pas/kypris
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I wouldn't want anyone to miss the subversiveness of Marc's theory. He's 
saying the Outsider is actually Typhon and Kypris manipulating him.

u+16b9

On 12/19/2010 7:53 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:
> Exactly. You just can't separate these things, and Wolfe doesn't want 
> us to.
>
> On 12/18/2010 10:49 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:
>> Okay, the problem with the syncretism of Wolfe's universe is 
>> multifold for interpreting whether a "Jesus" exists.  Some of Silk's 
>> "Enlightenment" seems to have scenes of the life of Christ, without a 
>> doubt.  Unfortunately, they have a secular explanation.  They are 
>> pre-recorded in his head from his father Pas and his mother the blue 
>> eyed Kypris, or Typhon and his mistress, who I believe to be the blue 
>> eyed dark haired sleeper Mamelta.  The two voices speaking in his 
>> head is the voice of the Outsider, who is for all intents and 
>> purposes both our God and Typhon in conjunction with his Mistress, 
>> the goddess of love.  Wolfe makes Crane's explanation seem lame but 
>> there is a real physical explanation for it since Silk is a planted 
>> grown embryo specially chosen by Typhon who "wants an heir".  All the 
>> enlightenment is secular, BUT THAT DOESN"T MEAN IT ISN"T DIVINE TOO.
>> This is why Wolfe is so amazing and all these divergent 
>> interpretations are possible.  Sure, the Outsider seems to be the 
>> Christian God, but he is all the pagan gods, and Typhon in love, the 
>> Satan figure redeemed by the love that sets free.  The degraded and 
>> the downcast become something much more, whether it be Severian 
>> becoming the Conciliator or Typhon becoming the Outsider, or at least 
>> a very important agent of the Outsider whose plan is indistinguishable.
>> Marc
>>
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