the voice of the outsider is the conjunction of pas/kypris

DAVID STOCKHOFF · 20 Dec 2010, 20:26 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (DAVID STOCKHOFF)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:26:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (urth) the voice of the outsider is the conjunction of
	pas/kypris
In-Reply-To: <4D0F8FF1.9030900 at gmail.com>
Message-ID: <846089.18356.qm at web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hmm. What's wrong with the Outsider actually being an Insider?
I mean, it's awkward, but he's not a god that "plays by the rules," is he? He's everywhere; "Outsider" is an ironic moniker.

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) the voice of the outsider is the conjunction of pas/kypris
To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:18 PM

> Marc Aramini-
> The sun books overarching, unifying trope beyond even salvation is that imitation begets truth.? Severian says time turns our lies into truth, and the process of creating a closed universe of the whorl with himself as a god within it made something much more noble out of Typhon (ie - the immortal computerized intellect of Pas is morally more respectable than Typhon even though it is the culmination of Typhon's attempts to become a God, the height of his hubris.) 

Marc hasn't received any push-back on his "Pas/Kypris=Outsider" theory so I figure I'll provide some.

The fundamental characteristic of the Outsider from Silk's POV is that He is OUTSIDE the Whorl as opposed to the other gods of the Whorl who (as Silk is well aware at the beginning of Nightside) are ONLY in the Whorl. Silk knows that the gods of the Whorl were not worshiped in Urth. He knows the Outsider /was/. Horn knows that the gods of the Whorl did transport to Blue in any normal sense.

So, the fundamental problem with this theory, as I see it, is that it casually flicks to the gutter the most fundamental attributes of the Outsider. By this theory, Silk's Outsider is NOT a god outside of the Whorl. Instead he is ACTUALLY and existentially _only_ an INSIDER. This seems to be a serious betrayal of everything going on in the books.

Now there is an alternate theory, as I see it, in which the Outsider MIGHT be other than the Increate. But, I have serious problems with that one as well. But I'm willing to discuss it after we addressed some of the problems with /your/ theory.

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