Fish and Caves

David Stockhoff · 22 Dec 2010, 18:32 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:32:48 -0500
Subject: (urth) Fish and Caves
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I was going to say something about paired opposites too. I don't want to 
get too programmatic about it, but it does make sense that the Increate 
has aspects that "appear" opposite to us. Whether they are or not is 
another question, but the mystery of the Increate is lessened the more 
we think of him as one-dimensional.

He may favor Love and Like, or Orgies and Parties, but it's more 
dramatic for him to combine the extremes: Apollo and Dionysus, Love and 
War, etc.

This is not necessarily gnostic logic, but it certainly describes the 
manifestation of True Godhood in a pagan-like universe of demiurges and 
semidemiurges.

On 12/22/2010 12:39 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
>
>> David Stockhoff: Just briefly, I don't see that the Fish "symbol" is entirely ruled out.
>> I'd say it's twisted into unrecognizability, for very good reasons: some having to do with
>> avoiding a Sunday school lesson, and some having to do with the fact that everything in Briah
>> is a twisted shadow.of something in our universe.
> I agree, especially in the light of paired opposites I'm viewing things in. We've got evil fish
> symbols and good ones. Maybe comparable to the Long Sun's simple Sign of Addition paired with the
> gammadion (swastika) to represent "good" vs. "evil", light vs. dark, spiritual vs. mechanical aspects
> of the Whorl.
>
> In my growing view, it is combining the paired opposites which is seen (by wolfe?) as the expression
> of the One True God. Good fish + evil fish, Severian + Apheta, Silk + Hyacinth, Apollo + Dionysus.
> Maybe something like that. Since RttW gives us Quadrafons rather than Janus, it may be that the
> process is more complicated than simple dyads. 		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
>


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