Fish and Caves

Lee Berman · 23 Dec 2010, 20:22 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: severiansola at hotmail.com (Lee Berman)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:22:39 -0500
Subject: (urth) Fish and Caves
Message-ID: <SNT123-W272FC51D18556DF4B58BCACF1C0 at phx.gbl>

>Gerry Quinn: Interesting too that he distinguishes the brides of Abaia from the 
"feignings of the sea goddess" - and just WHICH sea goddess does he mean?

For me, the meanings are pretty clear. The words are spoken on Blue so there is 
only one sea goddess he can mean.  The "feignings of the sea goddess" refers to the 
female figure that erupts out of the water formed from The Mother's back and who speaks 
in Her voice to Horn.

The Undines in various sizes that he describes are distinguished from that "feigning" because 
these are beings which have been pinched off and separated from the main, bulky corpus of the 
sea-bound god/demon. The reason it is important to distinguish attached from detached beings is 
that once a human  (or larger or smaller) sized being is separated, the possibility of rebellion 
becomes possible. This possibility is most clearly raised with the tinkerbell Tzadkiel who is 
supposedly being punished with banishment.

Thematically this aspect of separation is important to recognize as it allows for the possiblilty of 
"fallen angels"/demons on Urth whom I think we can recgonize. Lucifer etc. could only rebel once
they had achieved separation from God, yes?

It might even be that Wolfe uses the same principle to allow for the possibility of fallen demons 
who rebel against their larger host to become angels amongst us. This is how I interpret Seawrack, 
though I get the impression Horn is never fully sure if she might still be true to The Mother and 
her purposes. But he is willing to risk it.

Yin, Yang, Tao, etc. Gods, angels and demons, no matter their origin, rebel and unite and co-mingle with each 
other and humans, all according to a higher, perfect Plan.

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