On Jesus in Briah and other dead horses

James Wynn · 30 Dec 2010, 02:06 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:06:08 -0600
Subject: (urth) On Jesus in Briah and other dead horses
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Well, I'm not inclined to squint at the stories to see if they are 
theologically correct,  but I did take a stab at this here:
http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/2010-December/019620.html

In short, I would say, in the construct I've offered above, that St 
Catherine is a myth. Naming people after saints is equivalent to naming 
your child Thor or Freya. You could no more go back in Time and meet 
Jesus than you could go back in Time and meet Cinderella. The same with 
Jesus.
u+16b9

On 12/29/2010 7:09 PM, Jordon Flato wrote:
> So, not to pick a scab, but Witz and I were chowing down burgers 
> today, and talking about our favorite subject, BotNS.  We both are 
> more amenable to the idea of Severan being a 'Christ like' figure or 
> 'instantation of the Logos' than many on this board, to be sure, so 
> we're apt to look at the books through that lens.
>
> With that in mind, for those who feel that these books indicate a 
> world that never knew Jesus, how do we get the myth of Saint Catherine 
> that is so important to the Order of the Seekers of Truth 
> and Penitence?  Sure, the name may have simply been a translation 
> choice by the fictional Gene Wolfe, but the ritual of elevation 
> clearly lays out the actual story of Saint Catherine, at least in some 
> guise.  How do you have a Saint Catherine if there is no Christianity? 
>  What mental gymnastics do we need to put ourselves through to posit a 
> world where such an event could be orally transmitted (or otherwise) 
> down through the ages to end up as the rites of the Guild of Torturers 
> without that event having some basis in far far far distant truth?
>
> Certainly our world today is considered 'fallen' by some, and many 
> Christians.  Yet our world decidedly DID know Jesus.  So why is it 
> impossible to think that the influence of Jesus on Urth would be so 
> far gone and diluted as to be only extant in the most second hand of 
> myth and hearsay?  It seems possible to me, and in fact partially 
> supported textually.  Of course, it could be an 
> earlier instantiation of Briah, in which the life of Christ and Earth 
> was slightly different, leading to the Urth we see in New Sun, but it 
> can't have been so different that Jesus didn't spawn a movement which 
> engendered saints the likes of Saint Catherine, said saint's stories 
> surviving the aeon's to end up as the elevation rights of the guild of 
> torturers.
>
> Perhaps this has already been answered in the pages of this list. 
>  Anyone care to take a crack at that?
>
>
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