City on Green

Marc Aramini · 31 Dec 2010, 15:55 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:55:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (urth) City on Green
In-Reply-To: <236126.56429.qm at web58208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Let me get all your rebuttals in order, because I feel like we just argue in circles and circles.
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1) The vegetation and life are too different. - I think vegetative evolution and hybridization is going on.? This quote from shadow of the torturer, chapter 2:
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"Two thoughts (that were nearly dreams) obsessed me and made them infinitely precious. The first was that at some not-distant time, time itself would stop .... the colored days that had so long been drawn forth like a chain of conjuror?s scarves come to an end, the sullen sun wink out at last. The second was that there existed somewhere a miraculous light - which I sometimes conceived of as a candle, sometimes as a flambeau - that engendered life in whatever objects it fell upon, so that a leaf plucked from a bush grew slender legs and waving feelers, and a rough brown brush opened black eyes and scurried up a tree." 
(Shadow and Claw 18) 
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As early as Chapter 2 of New Sun, the coming of the New Sun is animating vegetation.
All life left on green is a result of that hybridization.
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2) Time travel is not involved in Silk's astral travel - he shows up in the story in the past at the beginning of iGJ
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3)? The neighbors made the city on Green - I think?the people of Urth?are the neighbors, or will become them.
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4) Rigoglio is responsible for them winding up on Urth.? The text at least shows that Silk is thinking of Green at a time before it was corrupted? and his son Sinew when they make the jump.? This muddles the jump.
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5) What is blue, and how do you see the light from space?? paradoxes explain everything, baby.? But seriously, this is what we need to work on.? 
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Saying the neighbors built green or that Silk says they are different places are not very useful as absolute refutation because he does not even understand who he is.? In RttW I can quote Silk as saying "I am Horn.", but the end, where "Silk nodded" works against that assertion.
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I honestly believe Gene sat down and said, who, what, when, where, and how are going to be very hard to distinguish in this book, and a central mystery answers all of these questions.? Even Horn's fate is answered by paying attention to the vegetation.
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n Fri, 12/31/10, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) City on Green
To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 7:41 AM

Roy, if Green is Urth, the Neighbors are what people become, I think.? That's all.? You know, the "Vanished People".
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Is that such an impossible asssertion?

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

oh, yeah, forgot to mention that Roy's mention of the jungle-covered ruins
on Green really do remind me of the moss-covered ruins of Nessus that Severian 
sees downriver on the Samru.

Seemed worth adding. ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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