City on Green

Jordon Flato · 31 Dec 2010, 17:28 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: jordonflatourth at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:28:53 -0800
Subject: (urth) City on Green
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That line about the leaf turning into a bug is a symbol, a day dream...not
something that actually happened.  How can that be used as evidence?

On Dec 31, 2010 7:55 AM, "Marc Aramini" <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

Let me get all your rebuttals in order, because I feel like we just argue in
circles and circles.

1) The vegetation and life are too different. - I think vegetative evolution
and hybridization is going on.  This quote from shadow of the torturer,
chapter 2:

"Two thoughts (that were nearly dreams) obsessed me and made them infinitely
precious. The first was that at some not-distant time, time itself would
stop .... the colored days that had so long been drawn forth like a chain of
conjuror?s scarves come to an end, the sullen sun wink out at last. The
second was that there existed somewhere a miraculous light - which I
sometimes conceived of as a candle, sometimes as a flambeau - that
engendered life in whatever objects it fell upon, so that a leaf plucked
from a bush grew slender legs and waving feelers, and a rough brown brush
opened black eyes and scurried up a tree."
(Shadow and Claw 18)

As early as Chapter 2 of New Sun, the coming of the New Sun is animating
vegetation.
All life left on green is a result of that hybridization.

2) Time travel is not involved in Silk's astral travel - he shows up in the
story in the past at the beginning of iGJ

3)  The neighbors made the city on Green - I think the people of Urth are
the neighbors, or will become them.

4) Rigoglio is responsible for them winding up on Urth.  The text at least
shows that Silk is thinking of Green at a time before it was corrupted  and
his son Sinew when they make the jump.  This muddles the jump.

5) What is blue, and how do you see the light from space?  paradoxes explain
everything, baby.  But seriously, this is what we need to work on.

Saying the neighbors built green or that Silk says they are different places
are not very useful as absolute refutation because he does not even
understand who he is.  In RttW I can quote Silk as saying "I am Horn.", but
the end, where "Silk nodded" works against that assertion.

I honestly believe Gene sat down and said, who, what, when, where, and how
are going to be very hard to distinguish in this book, and a central mystery
answers all of these questions.  Even Horn's fate is answered by paying
attention to the vegetation.

n *Fri, 12/31/10, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com>* wrote:

From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) City on Green
To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 7:41 AM

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> Roy, if Green is Urth, the Neighbors are what people become, I think.
That's all.  You know, t...
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