a sincere question mostly for roy (not an attack)

Jordon Flato · 31 Dec 2010, 20:14 · from 2010-December.txt.gz

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From: jordonflatourth at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:14:37 -0800
Subject: (urth) a sincere question mostly for roy (not an attack)
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For the record, I'm pretty fully on board the idea that Horn goes into
Babbie.  It makes a lot of sense.

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Roy, I don't want you to leave the list over this stuff, but I do want to
> hear your opinion on something.
>
> Do you or do you not agree that it is likely that Horn winds up in Babbie
> through the mechanism of the Big Tree at the end of OBW?  You don't have to
> accept green is urth, but do you accept there's something fishy about the
> vegetation, and that a lot of narrative changes are explained by Horn
> leaving the body of Silk at that point (paraphrasing end of OBW: I should
> have said this nice thing, and that nice thing, and I caught the ball and
> won the game), and the way Babbie, later looking like a human and getting
> enraged when Horn's child is attacked, points at himself and says "huh huh
> huh" and that the narrator MISINTERPRETS this.I
>
> Don't you think this explains why in IGJ the stories about Horn on green
> are in 3rd person? Don't you think this explains the shift in tone from
> cynical Horn to positive Silk?
>
> Don't you think this overcomes the objection that Babbie has tusks and that
> Silk misinterprets what babbie wants when he says huh huh huh because he
> misreads the situation?
> does this not fulfill the prophecy of "a beast with three horns" even
> though babbie has tusks?
> The mechanism is the big fishy tree.  Don't you think the trees are doing
> weird stuff?
>
> If we can't agree on this stuff, with all your intimate knowledge of the
> text, what can we ever agree on?
> I just want you to know I'm not murdering the text, but trying to explain
> things using the text, I just don't trust my narrators in every conclusion
> they come to.
>
> Please let's talk about what we agree on and disagree on and see if we can
> come to any fruitful topics for further discussion there, as it isn't my
> intention to shut down discussion.  I posted here because I love Wolfe and
> wanted to talk about his work with fellow fans, not to make you feel like
> you have to leave.
>
> At this point I feel like maybe Severian's bringing of the New Sun may not
> have been the most positive thing for the world.  Creepy.
>
> Marc
>
>
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