Thecla and Thea
Andrew Mason · 07 Jan 2011, 20:00
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From: andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com (Andrew Mason) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:00:48 +0000 Subject: (urth) Thecla and Thea Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5xaULNkVo+cEiDPv8UNPpM6fpGGFrHVhXtBdQ at mail.gmail.com> > > (FWIW I think Wolfe addresses similar issues in BotNS. In Thecla and Thea we have "half-sisters" > the relationship unexplained. But surely it means something. This is a society in which > cloning occurs but is not mentioned in polite conversation. I think we can detect it from names > given- a clone gets a name which is a derivation of the source. Carina-Catherine, Pelagia-Pega and > perhaps a couple others. If Borski was to get anything from his "onomastics" he should have gotten > this one. But he didn't. Hah! ;- ) ) I find this improbable, for a number of reasons, Thecla and Thea don't, I think, look enough alike to be source and clone - their differences are specifically mentioned; they do look alike, but it's a normal family resemblance. On the other hand they both _have_ clones, whom we meet (who of course don't look exactly like them either, but there's an explanation of that in terms of blood transfusions, which won't work for Thecla and Thea themselves, as they are both of full exultant height). Then again, this naming convention is certainly used sometimes for people who are not clones - Agilus and Agia, Severian and Severa - while we don't have any clear examples of it being used for clones. (The closest, perhaps, is Thais, whose name does echo her source's, if as has been suggested she is Thea's khaibit, but in a rather different way.) Might I suggest an alternative view that may have a similar import - that their mothers might have been source and clone? An exultant goes to court to become a concubine, taking her kahibit with her. Later she retires and gets married. What does her kahibit do then? Arguably, continues to go with her and becomes her husband's mistress. So they produce half-sisters.
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