Green is Urth Redux
David Duffy · 13 Jan 2011, 03:03
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From: davidD at qimr.edu.au (David Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:03:46 +1000 (EST) Subject: (urth) Green is Urth Redux In-Reply-To: <4D2E51E4.6050504 at io.com> References: <4D2CB9B0.8080604 at io.com> <977685.56251.qm at web84101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><AANLkTimUrZ=P6UumNytJFX8pQ7hTAqONmGUWZ=cL3wnN at mail.gmail.com> <4D2CE02D.4060008 at io.com><Pine.LNX.4.64.1101130955510.21838 at orpheus.qimr.edu.au> <4D2E51E4.6050504 at io.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101131209300.26992 at orpheus.qimr.edu.au> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Jeff Wilson wrote: > On 1/12/2011 6:03 PM, David Duffy wrote: >> The moon can keep an atmosphere, once provided, for 10000-20000 years >> per top-up IIRC. Those Barsoomian air plants would do the trick nicely. >> >> http://www.terraformers.ca/Terraforming-the-Moon.html > > I've heard this before, but I have yet to see how the figure was obtained. I > cannot find it on the cited website, if that was your intention. > No. But I presume you can google as well as me ;) Geoffrey Landis gives http://www.geoffreylandis.com/moonair.html Could we manufacture the oxygen? We would need something like two hundred trillion tons. The chemical composition of lunar rock is about half oxygen; all we have to do is reduce the amount of rock equivalent to a cube about fifty kilometers on an edge. That's a lot of rock. On the other hand, it's a small volume compared to the size of the moon. Such a chunk of rock reduced to oxygen would give the moon an atmosphere that would last three thousand years--longer than any civilization on Earth has ever lasted, and when it leaks away, we could keep replacing it every few thousand years for a long, long time before we even begin to use up the moon. There doesn't seem to be a complete text for H.W. Renn, "Terraforming the Moon: A Viable Step in the Colonization of the Solar System?" IAC-02-IAA.13.2.08, 53rd International Astronautical Congress, Houston, TX (2002). I get the impression the 3000 year number is a little arbitrary (it does for example assume the sun to be as hot as it at present ;)). This writer (a professor of astronomy) claims 10-fold differences in retention time depending on who did the calculations: http://cseligman.com/text/planets/retention.htm The ratio of escape velocity to thermal velocity for H2O and O2 for the moon is 5-6, which gives ~100 My. This assumes a T of 300K. However, the T at the base of Earth's exosphere is more like 1000K, and that for the moon in a thick atmosphere is given at 800K in the Willett et al presentation "Above the Moon". Williams et al Nature 1997; 385:234-236 state further Loss of O is not necessarily fatal to habitability because O2 can be replaced by photosynthesis. Anyway, I don't know if Wolfe necessarily went through all these calculations ;) Cheers, David Duffy.
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