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Atonement Theology and the Conciliator

Matthew Weber · 13 Jan 2011, 22:45 · from 2011-January.txt.gz

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From: palaeologos at gmail.com (Matthew Weber)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:45:43 -0800
Subject: (urth) Atonement Theology and the Conciliator
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:33 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

Anselm and Urban reputely pulled out their lawn chairs to watch the
Cathars---fellow Christians who followed more conservative teachings---get
massacred.

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Anselm?  No mean feat for a man who'd been dead 100 years before the
Albigensian Crusade began.

If your reference point is Gnosticism, then the teachings of the Cathars
were indeed more conservative.  And the Carolingian emperors did not create
a new rite, much less a new theology--they suppressed local rites in favor
of the Roman Rite, and their theology is consistent with the development of
Western Catholicism to that point.

Unquestionably churchmen of the time countenanced things that repulse us.
But I'm very wary of truth-testing religious propositions by measuring them
against the political positions currently in fashion; if anything, it seems
to me that it ought to go the other way around.  If there are timeless
religious truths, then they should inform our political decisions.

-- 
Matt +

The gods have their own rules.
    Ovid [Publius Ovidius Naso], (43 B.C. - A.D. c.18), Metamorphoses, IX,
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