Atonement Theology and the Conciliator

David Stockhoff · 13 Jan 2011, 22:59 · from 2011-January.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:59:49 -0500
Subject: (urth) Atonement Theology and the Conciliator
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On 1/13/2011 5:45 PM, Matthew Weber wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:33 PM, David Stockhoff 
> <dstockhoff at verizon.net <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> Anselm and Urban reputely pulled out their lawn chairs to watch the 
> Cathars---fellow Christians who followed more conservative 
> teachings---get massacred.
>
> *********************
>
> Anselm?  No mean feat for a man who'd been dead 100 years before the 
> Albigensian Crusade began.
Must have been a different Anselm. I'll check that.
>
> If your reference point is Gnosticism, then the teachings of the 
> Cathars were indeed more conservative.  And the Carolingian emperors 
> did not create a new rite, much less a new theology--they suppressed 
> local rites in favor of the Roman Rite, and their theology is 
> consistent with the development of Western Catholicism to that point.
Well, it's your source against mine. ;) However, since my source is 
recent, its relative correctness is irrelevant. Wolfe would know your 
source, not mine.

OTOH, what you are saying is exactly what I said: the Carols suppressed 
local (Saxon) rites and their Christianity WAS Western Catholicism.
> Unquestionably churchmen of the time countenanced things that repulse 
> us.  But I'm very wary of truth-testing religious propositions by 
> measuring them against the political positions currently in fashion; 
> if anything, it seems to me that it ought to go the other way around.  
> If there are timeless religious truths, then they should inform our 
> political decisions.
As I stated, and as you know more than I do, Anselm's theology didn't 
last, at least officially. So it was truth-tested pretty quickly and 
found wanting. Our current "fashionable" positions don't really enter 
into it except as Wolfe might agree with them.

And I am sure he would not approve of slaughtering Muslims for 
salvation, so....



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