Dome, Dome on the Range
Jeff Wilson · 16 Jan 2011, 11:47
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From: jwilson at io.com (Jeff Wilson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:47:29 -0600 Subject: (urth) Dome, Dome on the Range In-Reply-To: <48834.67926.qm at web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <850030.91086.qm at web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <261903.11019.qm at web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <980429.72652.qm at smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4D2EEA53.7030002 at verizon.net> <4D2F1B2B.1010702 at io.com> <4D2F20C9.9030809 at verizon.net> <4D2F2C6E.2000907 at io.com> <430DCB16D8604E4483F358EC46969D06@jill> <4D2F4939.3010108 at io.com> <AANLkTi=Va5L70WEU8f94y-fTj2wXSRRbaxXWigh_P3Ky at mail.gmail.com> <4D2F8114.2000401 at io.com> <4D2F8433.1020304 at verizon.net><4D2F95AF.9010504 at io.com> <4D30B621.9050508 at io.com> <8D13FD44CA76440BBAC21C9A0F5E6E78@jill> <48834.67926.qm at web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D32DAD1.1080301 at io.com> On 1/15/2011 11:51 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote: >> From: Gerry Quinn<gerryq at indigo.ie> > >> From: "Jeff Wilson"<jwilson at io.com> >> >>> It occured to me at lunch today that a problem with the open air atmosphere >> schemes, even ones that last thousands of years between refills, is that they >> take half to 3/4 the mass of earth's atmosphere to work. When this does escape >>from the moon, only small amount of that will also escape from the earth, and >> the reset will eventually come to fall on the earth, raising its surface air >> pressure accordingly; this is a serious problem > ... > >> Seriously, will this actually happen, anyway? I couldn't find detailed >> references to a proper calculation, but here are my thoughts: >> >> If an atom leaves the top of Lune's atmosphere at lunar escape velocity, the >> question of whether it is likely to end up in Urth's atmosphere on Urth depends >> on whether it exceeds Urth escape velocity at this point (unless it's headed >> directly for Urth, which is unlikely. It can escape the moon moving rearward, going into an elliptcial orbit, > I like it, but you need to add in the orbital velocity of Lune, which makes > molecules substantially more likely to escape. (This could actually be a bigger > problem than air ending up back on Urth, where as you note it's not lost.) > > Also, molecules that escape from Lune but not the Lune-Urth system will be in > orbits that intersect Lune's orbit where they left it. Except for the relatively > small portion aimed at Urth, they're not going to come to rest on Urth until > their orbits are modified by collisions with other molecules or brushes with > Lune. I suspect they're a good deal more likely to come to rest back on Lune > than on Urth. I considered that last, but the infalling gas regains the kinetic energy so when it returns it heats the atmosphere, increasing the rate other gas leaves, so that much more gas is available to take non-returning paths while maintaining the same overall rate of depletion. Not to mention all this gas farting around lunar orbit is a hazard to navigation. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >
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