the prime calcula/his citadel and other quotes

James Wynn · 19 Jan 2011, 00:25 · from 2011-January.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:25:28 -0600
Subject: (urth) the prime calcula/his citadel and other quotes
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>> Mamelta was a sleeper and all the sleeper had had their memories 
>> tweaked like the Cargo. She didn't even remember Typhon's real name. 
>> To her, he was Pas.
>
> Gerry Quinn-
> No - she calls him the Monarch.  and she remembers Molpe, although 
> evidently not by that name:  "One was small, the Monarch's second 
> daughter...  I remember seeing her often at home, dancing through my 
> dreams." She doesn't use any of the names of Typhon or his family as 
> far as I can see, but she seems to remember them quite clearly.

Sure she does. So does Rigoglio. He's well aware that the gods walked 
among them as men. What of it?
Do you really believe Mamelta was unique in not having her memory altered?

>
>> And when she remembered him, she thought of what they saw in the 
>> Sacred Windows.
>
> Where does she indicate that?

That's the way _all_ the sleepers remembered the Typhon family-- as 
gods. The sleepers had no real advantage over the wakers.

> Also, I had forgotten: Echidna!  When she possesses Marble she has a 
> confrontation with Silk.  There is no indication there that he is a 
> clone of Pas either.

And don't forget Cilinia. If you're trying to convince yourself, I don't 
think you needed any help. I don't see Wolfe's writings the way you do. 
I don't think you get him, but apparently his works can be enjoyed on 
that level.

u+16b9

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