the prime calcula/his citadel and other quotes

Gerry Quinn · 20 Jan 2011, 15:36 · from 2011-January.txt.gz

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From: gerryq at indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:36:09 -0000
Subject: (urth) the prime calcula/his citadel and other quotes
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From: "Marc Aramini" <marcaramini at yahoo.com>
--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Gerry Quinn <gerryq at indigo.ie> wrote:

> > And while we're at it, why exactly do you think Mamelta
> > wants to make love to Silk anyway? Because he is a
> > Typhon clone and she is Kypris? There are a million
> > reasons ruling both of those out anyway!

> Since you asked, and then I will leave you alone.
>
> If, as the dreams says, she is the goddess of love, and consort of
> the father of the gods, this hammers home that connection if Mamelta
> says it (and Kypris and Silk will be lovers through Hyacinth, who
> has "become" Kypris through that possession something like forever)

So you are saying Mamelta is Kypris?  But if Typhon put Kypris on the Whorl, 
whether as reward or punishment, why would he replace her memory with that 
of a completely different person?

And also, why does she never say it again?  After Mucor is exorcised, 
Mamelta spends a long time alone with Silk, and she never says or does 
anything.  She said this *only* when possessed by Mucor!

> I will say again, which I just said, I DON'T THINK SILK IS A
> CLONE OF TYPHON.  I think he is the son meant to succeed him,
> but alas, his mother's confusion of sex and maternal love seems to be
> a problem.  Hyacinth also has a sexually ambiguous nature.
>
> I think it best that we both move on to different topics, I laid out the
> quotes that led me to this supposition quite clearly, and they aren't
> even quotes that have much room for interpretation.  You either see
 > a 1-2-3 type connection, or you don't.  So let's agree to disagree here.

They leave a *ton* of room for interpretation.  Marc, your main planks if I 
recall correctly, are the following:

1. The reported fact that Typhon wanted a male heir.
2. Two dreams of Silk in which certain women are blended together
3. The vision of Pas shown to Silk by Kypris

Item 1 - we can take as a fact, and we will accept that a frozen embryo 
would do Typhon as an heir, although that is by no means certain.  (He was 
the boss of all Urth, he could have had as many heirs as he wanted that way 
without building the Whorl.)

Item 2 - we are talking about *dreams* here.  A young man's dreams which 
include and blend specific women - Kypris, Chenille, Hyacinth and in one 
case Mamelta, as well as his mother (I read this to mean the person who was 
his non-biological mother).  The obvious interpretation is that Silk is 
dreaming of the women who he associates in some way with sex and sexuality. 
These dreams also contain elements which cannot be literally factual - Silk 
in a glass tube (even if pre-embryonic engrams exist, test tube babies are 
not actually conceived in tubes, as Crane notes).  The surface of a shiny 
toy being water.

Item 3 - the vision that Kypris shows Silk.  She is quite evidently talking 
about what might be, in the future:
"You'll go on with your life, Silk.  Just as it is.  You'd be Pas, too.  And 
he would be you. Look..."
And then straight away she shows him an image of Pas with one of his heads 
replaced by Silk's.

Item 2 has a completely naturalistic interpretation that doesn't require the 
women to be truly the same person.  Item 3 has a very clear interpretation 
that is different to what you propose.

And then look at other facts such as the fact that Mamelta when she is in 
her own mind never says anything about being Silk's lover...

- Gerry Quinn

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