Sev's Family Tree
Gerry Quinn · 28 Jan 2011, 19:22
· from 2011-January.txt.gz
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: gerryq at indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:22:14 -0000 Subject: (urth) Sev's Family Tree References: <SNT123-W964209A1750779C29407DCFE10 at phx.gbl> <4D42F90B.7080009 at gmail.com><C419E5D5A10D44CAA2A5B3DED312117D@jill> <4D430525.4070305 at gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C05C299B62247D897FEE85DB7F24C9D@jill> From: "James Wynn" <crushtv at gmail.com> >> Gerry- >> I don't think I would call it a different creature, really, or use the >> word 'merger'. It is still an alzabo, which is using Becan's mind as a >> tool. Any parts of Becan's mind that would be unsuited to the alzabo's >> purposes are ruthlessly discarded. >> [...] >> (I think possession in BotLS is closer to a true merger.) > > Hmm...why so? I would have said that possession in the BotLS was the just > the opposite. As Kypris Chenille described it, the mind invader can choose > to fully take over or ride along quietly. But parts of the possessor's personality become permanently incorporated in the possessee. As Chenille/Kypris explains: "Really I'm Chenille, with something extra". She also (in reference to Mint) makes an analogy of "brandy talking" except that the effect on the personality is permanent. Admittedly she also says "I feel like someone else is in here with me" so she's not completely clear. All the same, I think there's something new which isn't either Chenille or Kypris, though long-term it's more like Chenille with some aspects of her personality altered. > As I understand a Mani-style merger, that would not be possible: the > separate spiritual and physical creatures cease to exist and a new being > is created. Neither the alzabo or possession is a Mani-style merger, IMO - the latter creates an essentially new being, and neither of the former do. > It is true that the merger serves interests of the alzabo body. If it did > not, the alzabos would soon cease to exist. But the fact that the alzabo > puts his life at genuine peril for Becan's family shows that there are > downsides to the merger from the POV of the animal part of Becan Alzabo. My reasoning here is that the alzabo part is driven the same way by its instincts to protect its prospective prey from other predators. Maybe it didn't make the most logical call with regard to its own survival, but hey - it's an animal! Nothing in Becan's actions hit the button that said "alzabo-unfriendly behaviour". - Gerry Quinn
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net