grumble at wolfe comment made attached to guardianarticle

James Wynn · 08 Feb 2011, 06:19 · from 2011-February.txt.gz
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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:19:03 -0600
Subject: (urth) grumble at wolfe comment made attached to guardianarticle
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On 2/7/2011 5:33 PM, hammstu at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Ha...! Not THOSE kind of mushrooms... Who was it who said that Richard Wagners' music is "Better than it sounds" ?
> If you all want to stretch your ears try to find a copy of "New Sound Forms for Piano"..J Cage, conlan Nancarow's pieces for player piano and Ben Johnsons' pieces for micro-tonal piano...just make sure that there are no young, impressionable children in the room.
> ...Then listen to anything by Arvo Part to calm down.....
> So...how DID Quetzal get aboard the Whorl????
> Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed

Oh no! I thought Cage's hobby of collecting wild mushrooms one of those 
well-known facts about him. Maybe not so much. Perhaps that's just one 
more piece of loose trivia in my attic. The writer Francis Shaeffer 
claimed it was a minor philosophical quandary for Cage since if he chose 
to hunt mushrooms the way he deliberately composed music, he would soon 
be a dead man. Okay. I'll check out the pieces you mentioned.

 >So...how DID Quetzal get aboard the Whorl????

The question is bigger than that. In order for there to be a Quetzal, 
there had to first be a human encounter with a wild inhuma. It is 
arguable (although some refuse to credit it as possible) that sentient 
inhumi would make a flight to the Whorl in the same manner that they 
assaulted Blue. But it is not possible (I think) that a wild inhuma 
would that.

It has always seemed obvious to me that some of the Cargo had to have 
made an expeditionary landing at Green shortly after the arrival at the 
Short Sun. And I believe one of those was Tussah. I used to think maybe 
Hyacinth had made such a trip as well, and that was how she knew 
colonists were not in for a pleasant surprise. Now I think something 
else, but surely there _was_ such an expedition. If the Neighbors are to 
be believed then they manipulated that expeditionary landing as well as 
others. Since that would be difficult for alien-appearing Neighbors, 
that manipulation must have been done by the Rajan himself.

It is plainly evident that the Rajan can Time-travel, but is there any 
evidence that the Rajan went back that far in time? Yes, because he is 
in the the Grandmother's Tale in "In Green's Jungles". Furthermore, we 
know Marble/Moly/Magnesia went with him back to the Whorl, and I think 
we see her, in Dream-Travel, in "Nightside of the Long Sun" as Teasel's 
mother, Dahlia who was a student at the palaestra around 20 years before 
Silk arrived: Teasel is 13. Her mother would have been Marble's student  
when she was 13. If one supposes she had Teasel 7 years after being 
Marble's student that's 20 years.  Of course, chems don't sleep so the 
Dream-travel would have had to occur at the very moment of her final 
break-down.

Why is Dahlia Marble in Dream-travel?

1) Marble twice references that used to look like Dahlia or Teasel:

"I used to have a face like yours. I would say like Dahlia's, but she 
was before your time.
Like Teasel's or Nettle's, and there were things in it, little bits of 
alnico, that let
me really smile or frown when I moved them with the coils behind my 
faceplate.
But all that's gone except for the coils." ~ Calde of the Long Sun

"I was the maid, the sibyls' maid, when the first bios moved into the city.
I got our cenoby ready for them, and in those days I used to look like--like
Dahlia, I nearly said, sib, but you never knew Dahlia. Like Teasel,
a little." She laughed nervously. "Can you imagine me looking like
Teasel? But I did, then." ~ Exodus from the Long Sun

Twice = an important clue although we can argue about what.

2) Teasel's mother is unnamed, but her father, Martin, is not. However, 
teasels and dahlias are both astrerids which implies the two are closely 
related. And, of course, Teasel and Dahlia are similar in appearance.

3) Teasel is twice said to belong to Marble:
"Her name's Teasel, and she's one of Marble's bunch." Maytera Rose 
sniffed again. ~ Nightside of the Long Sun

"Teasel's one of Maytera Marble's, very likely the best of them." ~ 
Calde of the Long Sun

4) Marble's real name is "Magnesia", and, except for silica, magnesia is 
the most common element found in asteroids. And a dahlia is an asterid.


we are told about her appearing in the form of Teasel and Dahlia.
That is, Maytera Marble said she used to look just like Teasel and Dahlia:
Magnesia = major element in asteriods = Asterids = Teasel and Dahlia

On 2/7/2011 5:33 PM, hammstu at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Ha...! Not THOSE kind of mushrooms... Who was it who said that Richard Wagners' music is "Better than it sounds" ?
> If you all want to stretch your ears try to find a copy of "New Sound Forms for Piano"..J Cage, conlan Nancarow's pieces for player piano and Ben Johnsons' pieces for micro-tonal piano...just make sure that there are no young, impressionable children in the room.
> ...Then listen to anything by Arvo Part to calm down.....
> So...how DID Quetzal get aboard the Whorl????
> Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
> Sender:urth-bounces at lists.urth.netDate:  Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:23:16
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>
> Mr. Hamm, honestly, when I wrote that analogy, I KNEW it would pull you
> from the woodwork. And, yet, it fit.
> I listen to much of his stuff and say, "He seems to know what he's
> doing. I just don't want to hear him do it."
>
> Wow, mushroom hunting. What a stereotypical activity to do with John
> Cage! It's like saying "I fought bulls with Hemmingway" or "I entered a
> frog jumping competition with Mark Twain."
>
> ;-D
>
> On 2/7/2011 5:03 PM,hammstu at sbcglobal.net  wrote:
>> I knew John Cage....used to go Mushroom hunting with he and merce cunningham....the prepared piano pieces?? Hauntingly beautiful when played by someone who knows what they are doing...imho
>> Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>
>>> Sender:urth-bounces at lists.urth.netDate:  Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:31:10
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>>> I'll accept your opinion of her novels. I really only know her from her
>>> short stories..genre and literary. I recognize her technical ability,
>>> but I consistently have walked away from her stories feeling unbuzzed.
>>> It's like listening to a John Cage symphony.  "Fossil-Figures" was just
>>> the final straw.
>>>
>>> u+16b9
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