the pelagic argosy sights the new sun

DAVID STOCKHOFF · 09 Feb 2011, 19:00 · from 2011-February.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (DAVID STOCKHOFF)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:00:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (urth) the pelagic argosy sights the new sun
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Message-ID: <569751.41419.qm at web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You may be right, and these ideas are largely signs of an engineer's critique of the world. Of course, by the same token they may not be truly serious.

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
> Subject: (urth) the pelagic argosy sights the new sun
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 12:55 PM
> 
> 
> >Marc Aramini: Green things die that men may live, and
> MEN DIE THAT GREEN THINGS MAY LIVE
>  
> It seems clear that the New Sun and its killing of humanity
> so that green things (even a green man)
> may live is presaged here. The pelagic, watery, fish stuff
> combined with the green stuff makes it
> clear that Wolfe is trying to get at something in BotNS
> that he more fully fleshes out in Short Sun
> with Blue and Green. 
>  
> As Severian is alone in the mountains above Thrax he
> ponders ideal worlds. Two of the principles he
> considers as ideal seem to be a population of people all
> brothers because they are derived from the 
> same two ancestors (or something like that). And also
> vegetarianism. I think Wolfe's values may have
> mutated a bit in the 20 years between BotNS and Short Sun.
> But death of humanity, blue water and green 
> plants seem to persist as themes. (and for me, it is
> difficult to find the basics of Christianity there).
>  
> Natural trees being higher than man-made masts seems to
> suggest the idea that our current humanity is an 
> artificial, flawed, imperfect (perhaps corrupted?) species.
> Perhaps one that needs to be replaced. Such 
> a philosophy doesn't seem too crazy for the 70's in
> America. ???
> ?

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