Silk beating two horses, Orpine rotting to vines, and Wolfe's dedication
Gerry Quinn · 15 Feb 2011, 12:58
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From: gerryq at indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:58:12 -0000 Subject: (urth) Silk beating two horses, Orpine rotting to vines, and Wolfe's dedication References: <786884.74591.qm at web161804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2B10DFD0F8BC4468AA94E0A2DF926DD8@jill> From: "Marc Aramini" <marcaramini at yahoo.com> > I was browsing over the first volume of long sun last night and I have > to admit it made me feel a little ill. > Here is Wolfe's dedication to Lake of the Long Sun: > To Dan Knight, who will understand more than most. > > This right here validates all the twisted readings of Wolfe I've ever > done, he is simply not a straightforward writer from the get go, and I > think he expects almost everybody NOT to get everything. It's only a dedication. And sure, nobody will get EVERYTHING. That probably applies to books much simpler than Wolfe's. Doubtless there are subtleties we miss in See Spot Run. > Okay, in one dream, Silk is beat two black horses, but he is said to be > whipping the wrong horse every time he tries to hit its brother, that if > the > brother does not help, the horse being hit will die. > > The horse winds up being cast into the save grave as orpine, who rots > away to like flowers and vegetation in his dream, but it also talks about > receding waters and other stuff, too. Does anybody have a good > explanation > for Silk whipping the wrong horse? I don't think this dream is hard to interpret, even if there are some details that are not absolutely clear (heh, dreams are like that). The horses represent the actions of Silk - Silk's strength if you like. Silk is literally beating the wrong horse - he is focused on the wrong action to save his manteion. He's beating a dying horse, in fact, a dying horse that will die at the grave if he doesn't find the right way forward. And this dream points the way forward, although Silk does not realise it yet. Orpine's grave is too deep, at the bottom he sees black velvet, and the velvet is sprinkled with sparks... and the horse that never pulled now lunges and pulls with all his might. This is Silk's true destiny: to lead his people outside the Whorl, to the sparks that do not flicker like the dying Long Sun with its sinking streams that will NOT rot Orpine back to new life. Silk must find his destiny, or the Whorl will itself become a grave, where Orpine lies alongside everyone else. Some minor points: - By the light of one star Marble is young again - that represents Sol, I guess (it is not referred to as red, but I don't think that's important - probably it would mess up the metaphors too much) - "Too long" - I think this probably refers to the age of the decaying Whorl - Hyacinth and Silk on the deadcoach at the end - this may prefigure the end of Exodus, where Silk turns back to stay with Hyacinth. [By the way, Marc, maybe you should think about how much of your own interpretations you force into what you read. The title of your post includes "Orpine rotting to vines". But the dream explicitly says that Orpine will NOT rot. And if she did, Silk was not thinking of vines: "The cold, sinking waters of underground streams that were sinking every year it seemed would never wash Orpine, would not rot her back to trees and flowers..." Just saying, maybe if you read carefully first and interpret after - and try not to overinterpret - things will make more sense. Like the key imagery of this dream, for example, which I think is really pretty up front. This advice is not solely directed at you, Marc ;-) Honestly, Wolfe is a far more straightforward writer than some folks give him credit for!] - Gerry Quinn
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