Silk beating two horses, Orpine rotting to vines, and Wolfe's dedication

Marc Aramini · 15 Feb 2011, 14:50 · from 2011-February.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:50:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (urth) Silk beating two horses, Orpine rotting to vines,
	and Wolfe's dedication
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I don't want to always incite words between Lee and Gerry, but Gerry, when I read something that I think is interesting or confusing, I like to write down a few quick thoughts and post to the discussion list, because, well, maybe somebody has a better understanding.  Sorry about the imprecision.  Its not theorizing in any but the loosest sense, like, gee, here is an image, does anybody think it could be this or this?

That is how my hybridization with trees scheme came about, when thoughtful discourse was engendered over weird facts.

Sometimes I forget things I noticed a long time ago.  For example, where Mint calls Chenille an older sister, last night I saw on the bottom of the page where I had written "both possessed by Kypris" years ago, so that I came to the same conclusion the first time through as others here, forgotten it, then tried to read something into "older" sister that I clearly did not the first time through.

This last post especially was just bouncing around impressions to see if anybody else had some, it does not require a lot of thinking, because that is what a discussion list is for.  

As far as the two horses, sometimes I get the feeling that perhaps it is Auk and Silk who are sharing the burden here instead of Silk and Severian.  Who is the beaten, tortured horse in the Silk, Sev grafting?  Or is it more like Piaton and Typhon?  Two many "yoked" pairs to make a great comparison, but they are called, I think, "brother" horses.

As far as saving the manteion obsessively rather than saving the whorl, I think that works on one level but the brutality of the whipping, to death, does not seem to parallel that situation well in my mind.

--- On Tue, 2/15/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
> Subject: (urth) Silk beating two horses, Orpine rotting to vines, and Wolfe's dedication
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:29 AM
> 
> 
> >Gerry Quinn: Just saying, maybe if you read carefully
> first and interpret 
> >after - and try not to overinterpret - things will make
> more sense.? Like 
> >the key imagery of this dream, for example, which I
> think is really pretty 
> >up front.? This advice is not solely directed at
> you, Marc ;-)? Honestly, 
> >Wolfe is a far more straightforward writer than some
> folks give him credit 
> >for!
>  
> This is potent advice. If more people would follow it, more
> people would have the 
> clear, straightforward understanding of Gene Wolfe that
> Gerry Quinn does. ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
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