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David Stockhoff · 16 Feb 2011, 02:15 · from 2011-February.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:15:56 -0500
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On 2/15/2011 8:44 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
>
>> >David Stockhoff- You mean Typhon is one of those blond jock heroes we love to hate even
>> >though they are really decent enough, and Severian is a chainsmoking
>> >goth in black, the kind of rebel/antihero we love to love? I seem to
>> >recall Lancelot being like that. I think Wolfe has touched on that theme
>> >elsewhere.
>
> LMAO David. But perhaps startlingly on the mark. (Sir Mordred as the Goth in Arthurian legend?)
>
Possibly, but he was actually almost bad. There was also a fool ...

There are at least two kinds of heroes, after all---those who succeed vs 
those who fail, of course, but also those who represent the best of 
their kind vs those who ... represent the worst, and who succeed despite 
themselves---despite trying to drink themselves to death or tearing 
apart a kingdom. The untroubled vs the troubled.

Severian is sometimes as plain an antihero as can be. (I recall at some 
point a few years ago Elric and Stormbringer came up as a rough 
comparison, and I still think that is a valid pairing. Following the 
scheme developed by Moorcock, Severian is perhaps best described as 
Lawful Evil in alignment, moving to Lawful Good.)

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