Are the Neighbors REALLY the Neighbors?

James Wynn · 16 Feb 2011, 13:16 · from 2011-February.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:16:19 -0600
Subject: (urth) Are the Neighbors REALLY the Neighbors?
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IIRC There were tribes in which Modred was viewed as a hero. There was a 
story of Arthur attempting to get rid of Modred by putting him and all 
the infants of Britain into baskets and setting them adrift in the sea. 
In mythology heroes and villains trade roles almost as often as DC comic 
characters.

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>>> Dan'l-
>>> Suddenly I have a glimpse of an interpretive schema in which Typhon 
>>> is actually the real hero
>>> of the Solar cycle...
>>>
>> Lee-
>> I kinda know what you mean. I always hated Typhon and considered him 
>> the worst of all villains.
>> Until it occurred to me that he didn't really do anything so bad, 
>> especially with regard to Severian.
>> No different than what Severian did to Eata in coercing him to be his 
>> second. Some conquering,
>> some ruling, some sexual perversion but no worse than the 
>> Commonwealth is, in its current state.
>> Who did more for humanity, Typhon or Severian...?
>>
> David-
> You mean Typhon is one of those blond jock heroes we love to hate even 
> though they are really decent enough, and Severian is a chainsmoking 
> goth in black, the kind of rebel/antihero we love to love? I seem to 
> recall Lancelot being like that. I think Wolfe has touched on that 
> theme elsewhere. (Or Jack vs Sawyer, for a Lost analogy.)

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